Church Review 2006

24 November 2006

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Venue: SIB KL (Near Eastin, PJ)

Time: 07:30 pm

Several thoughts could have occured in the first few moments of young Caitlyn’s life.

“WOW! It’s cold!! And BRIGHT!”

“Wait, what’s this weird looking dude with no mouth doing, no, he has a white mask over his mouth..waaiiitttt…he’s cutting off my…ummm…thingy!! GONNAA SCREAM!!! ”

“Wow, I thought that hurt, but I seem to be fine. OK, he’s putting me in the arms of…ooh, wow, who is this beautiful woman in front of me? Let me reach up and touch her nose. Hehehee.”

“She sounds kinda familiar, like I’ve heard her before. She looks pretty beat. And why on earth is it so bright here?? If someone doesn’t do something, I’m gonna SCREA—”

“Hey, wait, who’s taking me away? If it’s that white mask mouthless dude, I’m gonna start SCREAMING again—ooooh, who is this fellow here? He’s wearing an Italian jersey; he must be a famous footballer then…wow, I am such a celebrity!”

“And his voice is familiar too. I think he was the one singing all those George Groban songs to me when it was all dark and warm. I wanna tell you I like the Blues. The BB King blues!! The 12 bar blues by Muddy Waters and Buddy Guy!! Red House by the G3 Johnson, Vai and Satriani!!”

“And a 1969 Vintage Stratocaster Electric Guitar with dual single coil and humbucker! Give it to me or I’m gonna scream!!!!”

“*Yawn* When do I go back into the warm little darkness and sleep again? I’m tired of this cold and bright place….what? I’m not going back in?? NOOOOOOOOoooooooo!!!”

*Above exchange may or may not have occured. We’ll have to ask Caitlyn that when we see her*

To Justin and Eileen, new parents; God’s millions of blessings for you both and your child!! Woo Hoo!

Pictures in http://threeds.multiply.com/photos !!

VBS Artic Edge 20 - 22 Nov

Cookout at Jem’s. Going through the Indian food we will be cooking on the 2/12

John: Is he Elijah or not?

OK, so much for the Karma verses. How about all those bunch of verses talking about Elijah and John?

There has been a whole of literature on this, moreso than the previous verses, because the John equals to Elijah thing has been used by pro karma-reincarnation guys to say, look, your Bible is supporting reincarnation.

I’m just gonna extract a couple of arguments here and there, since this has been documented pretty well.

The whole thing started when Malachi wrote in chapter 4:5-6

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet
Before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.

And he will turn
The hearts of the fathers to the children,
And the hearts of the children to their fathers,
Lest I come and strike the earth with a curse.”

Fast forward and you see Gabriel chatting with John’s pops, Zacharias. Gabby tells Zach:

He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.” Luke 1:17

Now note the italics, showing Gabby was quoting from Malachi 4, and Zach definitely knows that; since he’s a priest. Wow. Zach must be thinking, my son has a scripture reference to him. Not just what I think, but I know it to be true since Gabriel, the same fellow who would deliver baby Jesus, told me!

Argument 1: Jesus and the scriptures states John IS Elijah

Jesus would later say these:

Matt. 11:13-14 “For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.”

Matthew 17:10-13: Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

Mark 9:12 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him.”

Matt. 11:11-15 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Seems pretty clear cut. Now if only John will admit it….

But in John 1:21, when people asked John if he was Elijah, he said, NO! Reasons could be:

1) He doesn’t know he’s Elijah, since past life memories are all blur

2) He is not Elijah

On case 1), he must surely realize the scripture that was attributed to him by Gabriel. Zach, his dad was a priest, and the first thing he would tell his son is: Johnny, you’re gonna become what old Malachi was talking about in his book. You are a prophecy fulfilled!

Ok, let’s say Zach never told him that, when he was asked if he was Elijah, John didn’t express any surprise, since he probably would have answered that a thousand times already. If I asked you if you were Clark Gable reincarnated, you’d probably think I’m nuts.

OK, let’s assume that 1) is still true, despite logical arguments. John quoted Isaiah 40:3 to explain himself:

The voice of one crying in the wilderness:

“ Prepare the way of the LORD;
Make straight in the desert
A highway for our God.

Note, he didn’t quote Malachi!

Why not? Wouldn’t he use Malachi instead? Perhaps Isaiah had the same message as Malachi, but John didn’t want to mess up their minds with the ‘Elijah’ quote and wanted to clarify it. Is Isaiah and Malachi related?

Check out Isaiah 40:3 vs Malachi 3:1.

They talk about the same thing.

In Mark 1:2-3, it’s a mixture of both Isaiah and Malachi that is quoted, to explain who John is. It didn’t start with, “John is Elijah reincarnated.” John realize that yes, he was the voice, functional in the same spirit as Elijah, but not Elijah himself. Perhaps he also knew, like today, people were gonna get confused over Malachi’s verses, so he applied Isaiah’s prophecy to explain what was meant by that.

And the role of Elijah and John?

Calling a nation to repentance.

So the why did Jesus repeatedly call John, Elijah?

Jesus wasn’t pounding the fact that John was actually Elijah. He was validating the scriptures that said, for the messiah to come, Elijah had to come first. The priests and jewish leaders were looking for Elijah to come first, that’s one of the reason why they could not accept Jesus as the Messiah. They were saying, “Hey, I don’t see Elijah, so, you can’t be the Messiah.”

But Jesus says, “That Elijah prophesied is already here. Can you accept this scruffy looking fellow as the prophet you are looking for? He didn’t ‘fit’ your concept of Elijah and therefore you maltreated him. Likewise the Messiah will suffer as well.”

The message Jesus was driving across was that the return of ‘Elijah’ is not literal. It is in the same spirit and function as the prophet, and John is the ‘Elijah’, therefore after Elijah, the Messiah will come. The religious leaders cannot accept it, because they are looking for a literal return of Elijah as a sign for the Messiah.

Jesus wasn’t preaching reincarnation. Jesus was validating the prophecy that Elijah needed to return before the Messiah comes. Jesus was saying, “John is the Elijah you are looking for, just like I am the Messiah.”

Argument 2: He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah

SPIRIT! The pro reincarnation shouts. That shows Elijah has returned in Spirit. Now, wait, Elijah didn’t die in the first place, right, he was taken up. Doesn’t reincarnation teach death first before reincarnation? How is it possible that Elijah in reincarnated when he has not died?

But that aside, what is meant by Spirit here?

2 Kings 2:9-15 talks about Elisha and Elijah, right before the latter gets swooped into heaven. At the end, people said:

Now when the sons of the prophets who were from Jericho saw him, they said, “The spirit of Elijah rests on Elisha.” And they came to meet him, and bowed to the ground before him.

In the same ‘spirit’ that resets on Elisha, so is that spirit in John. No reincarnation complications there, so what’s up with John then? There’s a distinction between soul and spirit. It would have been different if Gabriel said, ‘your son IS Elijah, ok, not just having the spirit! Same soul ok!’

Argument 3: Karma debt of Elijah when he slaughtered the priests of baal in 1 Kings 18. How Herod beheaded John in Matt 14.

I’m not sure how to address this one, because it does seem like a groping straws here. So let’s say Saul died by the sword as well; so he’s reincarnated of, ummm, Goliath? Or Peter was crucified. Is that Jesus reincarnated?

Just because something happens in a similar way, to attribute it to reincarnation and karma, it makes it a poor argument.

Argument 4: Jesus did not refute reincarnation

Matthew 16:13

When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

Hmm. This conclusion is that Jesus did not refute what they were saying. It’s the same argument as before, that no answer means affirmative? Jesus returned a question, “Who do you say I am?”

The argument here is the disciples were the ones that posed this question, and Jesus did not correct them, therefore, reincarnation exist. In the study of the scriptures, Elijah would return before the Messiah, and he has, functionally, John represented that Elijah. I don’t know why they asked that the other prophets might return, they might have thought the prophesy in Daniel 12:2 was coming to past. What mattered was Jesus not addressing the reincarnation question, and instead established himself as the Messiah in the discussion.

See above argument on Jesus not refuting karma.

Argument 5: Elijah was recognized in the Mount of Transfiguration episode in Matthew 17

This is more like an argument FOR. If John the Baptist was the literal reincarnation of Elijah, then it would be John up there. But people who witnessed the transfiguration would recognize who John the Baptist is, but instead, it was Elijah, proving that John and Elijah are 2 different people.

Or could it be, in reincarnation, when you die, you become the person you were previously again. Makes sense?

Conclusion

Reincarnation and karma are not what the Bible teaches. There are absolutely no truth in these concepts and the verses quoted here are non contextual and when used, might sound like convincing arguments FOR the concepts of reincarnation and karma. But read the Bible in its entirety and in context and pray for truth. In 1 Thessalonians 5:21 tells us to test all things and hold on firmly to that which is good.

Bible verses for study:

Hebrews 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Psalms 89:48 What man is he that liveth, and shall not see death? shall he deliver his soul from the hand of the grave? Selah.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Karma Verses Continued

3. Sin in previous life?

John 9:2-4 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

This actually is proof that Jesus does not teach karma or reincarnation. His response was, “Neither, so that God can work through him.”

The disciples wanted to know the reason for the man being blind. Jesus was interested in the works derived from the man being blind. He wasn’t entering into a discussion about karmaic laws and such.

Karma proponents argue that Jesus did not refute karma in this case. He did not tell the disciples, “What in blazes are you fellows mumbling about, making as if there’s such a thing as a man sinning before he was born?!? There is no such thing!!!” Using that, they assume that the lack of reaction from Jesus meant that He believed there was such a thing as sinning in the life before.

Wouldn’t it be a whole lot easier for Jesus to preach reincarnation at this point and explain about past life instead? He was after all, a rabbi, a teacher. He didn’t react because he didn’t teach reincarnation. Hence he replied neither. In fact, if He truly taught reincarnation, He should be qualifying his answer by saying, “Yes, that would be the normal case to assume it, since we all believe in reincarnation, but in this case, neither.”

The lack of reaction was a complete dismissal of the assumption of reincarnation.

4. Live by the sword, die by the sword

“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.

Argues that Jesus believe that if Peter kills the guard, he will be killed in return as karma works.

Read the context. A few verses later, Jesus says,

“But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?”

Jesus allowed his own capture to fulfill the plan of God. Jesus also knows the law, and understood if Peter had killed the guard, he would be judge according to the mosaic law:

“Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.” Exodus 21:12

By the sword here does not imply that he would literally be punished by the sword if he kills by the sword, or by the candlestick if he killed with a candlestick. Jesus meant the punishment that must surely ensue due to a crime of murder.

It’s the same argument here, if someone is found guilty of shooting the prime minister, and is sentenced to death; that is the Law. No one ever looks and say, oh, that’s karma.

5. Captivity and swords again

Rev. 13:10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

OK, it’s one thing for Jesus to tell Peter about the law of murder, but what did John mean when he wrote this in Revelation? Is this a karma teaching?

First of all, understand what’s happening here in Revelation. Satan has temporary power over the world; the beast has been identified and mass persecution of believers was at hand. The world has become a place of terrible sin and suffering and tribulations.

Let’s read Jeremiah 15:2

And it shall be, if they say to you, ‘Where should we go?’ then you shall tell them, ‘Thus says the LORD:

“ Such as are for death, to death;
And such as are for the sword, to the sword;
And such as are for the famine, to the famine;
And such as are for the captivity, to the captivity.”’

Thus says the LORD. God was the presiding judge here.

This was right before the destruction of Jerusalem and the exile to Babylon, when God’s judgment came upon a place full of sin.

Read further down on the judgment on Egypt:

When he comes, he shall strike the land of Egypt and deliver to death those appointed for death, and to captivity those appointed for captivity, and to the sword those appointed for the sword. Jeremiah 43:11

God here was talking about King Nebuchadnezzar. But in the verse earlier, it says:

Behold, I will send and bring Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon…

The appointed judge and author of retribution here is God, not Mr Karma.

Now back to the revelation verse.

John wasn’t just picking out some random thought in the air and writing about Karma and Yin and Yang or balance of the world; he was one of the 12 and in Pathmos, he saw visions of what is to come: John, who knew the scriptures, was quoting from the OT when he wrote that. He’s simply saying; “Just like how God brings retribution to Jerusalem and Egypt, He shall do likewise to the ones who rejected him at this age.”

That’s still a little scary even if we understand it better.

OK, that’s it for the Karma Verses. The last part will deal with the questions arising from how they address John = Elijah issue.

Karma Verses

1. Do Unto Others!

Matthew 7:12 “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

Ok. This do unto others thing is not new. Hinduism teaches it, Confucius teaches it, Buddhism teaches it and at first glance, it does look like it’s a Karma thing isn’t it?

It is considered what is known as the ethic of reciprocity. Do good things and expect good things to come to you.

Read the verses before that and we get a broader context of what is said.

Matthew 7 is towards to end of Jesus’ sermon of the mount. These chapters (5 to 7) are very interesting, in which there is a parlay of words used; in which Jesus says: “It is said…but I say:” giving him complete authority over the law. He starts off saying, “I am not here to abolish the law but to fulfill it.”

With this in mind, Matthew 7:12 isn’t a new teaching to the people gathered there. It’s taken from Leviticus 19:18,

‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against one of your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD.’

The relation to this is found later in Matthew 22:37 – 40

Jesus replied: ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Notice the slight difference here. The law states the negative, in which the teachers teach: Do not bear a grudge, do not seek vengeance. Avoid crime, bad behaviour. But love your neighbor as yourself. How? Now Jesus comes in and he says, ‘Well, not bearing grudges and not seeking vengeance are good things, but what constitute loving your neighbor as yourself? Do unto others as you want others do to you.” This makes it a lot broader.

If you see a person with a flat tyre, you can do two things:

1) Go along because you’re late. You have not violated the law in Leviticus. It is not a crime to not help another person.

2) Stop and help the person. In this case, you have initiated action, according to the fulfillment of the law set by Jesus.

There’s absolutely nothing about karma here. Jesus didn’t say, “Do good things if you want good things to happen to you!”. He’s simply stating in the positive the law the Pharisees have been teaching, expounding it and broadening it to encompass helping others, as opposed to just not breaking the law. He never promised that the positive energy in a person will increase, that there is a natural ‘balance’ of actions, that every good deed shall be repaid and every bad deed shall be likewise returned.

In fact, Jesus got beaten and tortured and crucified. 11 of his disciples were martyred, one was banished, all were ridiculed and humiliated. Where is the ‘balance’?

There is no balance or karma. Yes, our reward is in heaven; but if karma did exist within this lifetime as my friend suggested, balance is not restored, unless we take into account the next life.

And that, my friend, is one of the assumptions of the argument in the first place: There is no next life, as our argument against reincarnation will show.

See how it ties?

2. Reap what you sow

Galatians 6:7 “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.”

Interpretation here is that whatever you do, you’ll get it back in return.

Ok, once again, lets grab the context.

Paul addresses the believers as he wrote Galatians. But there were a few who did not want to bear each other’s burdens, who went about their way. Galatians 6:6 starts with the argument against ‘kiasu’-ness, to help and teach each other.

“Let him who is taught the word share in all good things with him who teaches.”

Now break the subsequent verses:

Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked.

This was addressed to Christians who make a show of religion (something we sometimes do ourselves) and not do what we profess. Self righteousness is deceptive, and God knows all the thoughts we have and the motivation to do certain things. This is a warning. It is also clear that there is no karma law, or good-bad balance in our lives. The judge of retribution here is God.

A man reaps what he sows.

Paul seem to realize that this may be misconstrued because he immediately follows this up with:

The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.

Again, Paul makes it clear that while you might get away in this life, it is the eternity that matters. Our present time is seed time. We will all reap whatever we sow in eternity, either life, or destruction. This principle is brought up again in 1 and 2 Corinthians 9.

Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.

Some translation says, in due time. Paul didn’t say, you will face good things if you do good things. He says, do good, even if you’re weary (that shows perhaps a long time has passed and no results are seen); persevere on. If you reap it in this lifetime, bless God, but even in eternity, the seeds shown will have its reward.

In the next part, we’ll look at the remaining ‘Karma Verses’.

I’ve started a study during Devotion that I think might be good to share here. It’s a little long, so I’ve broken it into a few parts. I believe a good post should always have an interesting title and a nice (or strange) picture, so people will read further, no matter how long winded it is. I dare you to prove me right. =)

In discussing with my friend Kumar (the new age, mystical guy), he asked about the motivation for human beings to do good. And he says, its to balance. Yin and the yang. Karma and stuff. He even quotes Galatians 6:7 as proof that the bible talks about karma.

Do not be deceived,God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap.

The thing about this verse is that Kumar was looking at the second part of the verse, forgetting the context of the first part. It shows here that the agent of retribution is not some cosmic demerit points you gain by doing some good stuff like helping out in charity, orphanages or old folks home. The being determining judgement is God. And clearly, in Hebrews 9:27, God is pretty clear about there being no reincarnation after the physical death, so therefore karma, which traditionally works hand in hand with reincarnation is a concept foreign to Christians.

So we’re clear that man is only appointed to die once, then face judgement. That aside, he still argued that karmaic philosophy is still being preached in the Bible; as he claims, karma doesn’t only mean you get reincarnated into an eagle or a rich person or a cockroach, he also believes that karma works within this lifetime. As in, if he hurt a dog when he was 10 years old and at 80 years old, he dies getting attacked by wild mongrels, he’ll attribute it to karma, what he had done 70 years ago.

“So how do you escape it?”

“Well, you do good.”

“That’s relative though. What if you can’t find that dog again to do good to it?”

“Then you treat the other dogs well.”

“What if the other dogs attacked the first dog and killed it? Aren’t you feeding more negative karma into the first dog?”

See, this is where karma breaks down. Who presides over this cosmic point system? Who is the judge? You can’t just attribute it to a force and say, oh, I do good to this dog, therefore, my karma increases. But what if the dog has negative karma to other dogs and indirectly due to you feeding it, it grows stronger and kill the other dogs? So bad karma for the killer dog, good karma for you who feed the killer dog? And how the blazes are you to know whether your karma has increased? You could be totally oblivious to the fact that you have created a killer dog, and at the end of the day, that great Judge says, “Too bad, you come out as a cockroach cuz you fed a killer dog.” How on earth are you to know?? Is there like some kind of way to check your karma points?

My understanding of karma is clumsy, to say the least, but those were valid probes into karma concept. I am sure Kumar has the answer if we had more time to expound, and I am sure they would be pretty convincing. However, question into the philosophy of karma and reincarnation is left to another time. What we need to realize now is how a person who believes in karma can use the Bible to strengthen the premise of his assumption! Defending the Gospel isn’t as easy as we think it is, and we do require time and diligence to study it. Because other religions study the Bible as well. As long as we’re not sure of what our own faith is, we cannot venture into studying Hinduism, karma and other religions and question their faith, without dealing with biblical conundrums that they exploit. As Christians, perhaps in engaging into this discussion, the most difficult verses we need to contend with are:

Matthew 7:12 “So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.”

Galatians 6:7 “Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows.”

Matt. 11:13-14 “For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to accept it, he is the Elijah who was to come.”

Matt. 17:10-13

The disciples asked him, “Why then do the teachers of the law say that Elijah must come first?”

Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah comes and will restore all things. But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands.” Then the disciples understood that he was talking to them about John the Baptist.

Malachi 4:5 “See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.

Mark 9:12 Jesus replied, “To be sure, Elijah does come first, and restores all things. Why then is it written that the Son of Man must suffer much and be rejected? 13But I tell you, Elijah has come, and they have done to him everything they wished, just as it is written about him.”

Luke 1:17 He will also go before Him in the spirit and power of Elijah, ‘to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children,’ and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just, to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.”

Matt. 11:11-15 “Assuredly, I say to you, among those born of women there has not risen one greater than John the Baptist; but he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force. For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if you are willing to receive it, he is Elijah who is to come. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!

Karma debt of Elijah when he slaughtered the priests of baal in 1 Kings 18. How Herod beheaded John in Matt 14.

Matthew 16:13

When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”
So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

Jesus did not refute reincarnation

John 9:2-4 And His disciples asked Him, saying, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”
Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned, but that the works of God should be revealed in him. I must work the works of Him who sent Me while it is day; the night is coming when no one can work.

Matt. 26:52 But Jesus said to him, “Put your sword in its place, for all who take the sword will perish by the sword.

Rev. 13:10 He who leads into captivity shall go into captivity; he who kills with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

Exod. 21:24-25 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe

Wow, there’s a lot of verses to sit down and go through. There are probably more, but these are the more popular ones that might be brought up. Because karma and reincarnation are so closely related, we’re bound to address the many issues of reincarnation and the Bible, especially those verses that says John is Elijah.

I’ll first categorise them as such:

Karma Verses:

Matthew 7:12

Galatians 6:7

John 9:2-4

Matt. 26:52

Rev. 13:10

Exod. 21:24-25

Reincarnation Verses

Matt. 11:13-14

Matt. 17:10-13

Malachi 4:5

Mark 9:12

Luke 1:17

Matt. 11:11-15

Matthew 16:13

Actually the whole argument behind those reincarnation verses is centered around John the Baptist being Elijah.

So get your coffee and lets get started.

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